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dilan155 · Sep 17, 2008, 04:03 PM // 16:03

vanguard is very hard to raise, where as all the other, even asuran, is much easier to raise. so i would go for vanguard

TheDragonmaster · Sep 17, 2008, 05:39 PM // 17:39

Repeated VQ of Sacnoth Valley is still a LOT quicker for FF than ordinary asura or dwarf grinding (and don't come saying that you get a lot of asura points for raptor farming).

Taixen · Sep 17, 2008, 06:45 PM // 18:45

If there is a specific armor that you'd like, I would personally say hand it to that allegiance, however - Vanguard does have some of the best PvE skills so if armor isn't a problem then go for that route

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Rhamia Darigaz · Sep 17, 2008, 07:33 PM // 19:33

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Originally Posted by jiggles

ebon sniper support is one of the best skills in the game imo, so yes

if you max your vanguard title don't do it for this reason.
ebon sniper support is fun but it's pretty bad.

The Meth · Sep 17, 2008, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by zelgadissan

Personally I'd give the books to the Vanguard just because all the other titles can easily be gained doing other relatively simple runs (the Norn run still exists, you just don't see Ursan spammers asking for it), while the Vanguard run takes you through multiple zones and a pretty long walk if I remember correctly.

Assassin Support, Battle Standard of Honor, Battle Standard of Wisdom, Ebon Escape for scammers....so yeah, I think Vanguard is one of the better ones.

Thats a damn good incentive for raising ebon vanguard. How many other skills earn you easy rare items?

I agree though, dwarven title is dead easy since you get it automatically from vanquishing dungeons, while asura and norn you have pretty good and fast farms. Charr can also be a pain in the ass to grind through for a h/h group compared to the other areas where you can c-space through.

crazybanshee · Sep 17, 2008, 10:25 PM // 22:25

If you're looking to max all the rep titles, you'll thank yourself for turning them in for ebon vanguard. Everything else is far easier, but maxing the ebon one is a beast.

Productivity · Sep 17, 2008, 11:43 PM // 23:43

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Originally Posted by jiggles

ebon sniper support is one of the best skills in the game imo, so yes

Sniper support is terrible in anything that doesn't have stupid amounts of charr.

Perfected Shadow · Sep 18, 2008, 04:05 AM // 04:05

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Originally Posted by Productivity

Sniper support is terrible in anything that doesn't have stupid amounts of charr.

I found it useful H/Hing vloxen HM.

About handbooks, it goes to all of them for me. Cause I get bored farming. I'd leave Dwarf rep last though since dungeons increase it.

shaygo · Sep 18, 2008, 12:49 PM // 12:49

am i the only one who thinks that asura spells are better than ebon ?
pain inverter is almost as good as SV against bosses and it is not an elite.
did anyone try to cast meteor shower with mindbender ?
2 AoE spells spreading conditions, and the summons !

and another thing, what do you think about profession-specific titles ( warriors->norn, spellcasters->asura ) ?

Shasgaliel · Sep 18, 2008, 01:05 PM // 13:05

I have to say the most boring faction grind was dwarven. How many times can you do snowmans lair over and over and it provides hardly many points (800 I think). With Norn run you get like 6k points if I remember correctly. With Vq Sactnoth Valley 7,5k vanguard. Asuran you can do VQ and raptor farming. Dungeons do not provide high enough values of dwarven reputation. I would go for deldrimor really.

glacialphoenix · Sep 18, 2008, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by Shasgaliel

Dungeons do not provide high enough values of dwarven reputation

Really? I got most of my points from completing dungeons in both NM and HM. Ah well, different people, different experiences.

I personally donated mine to Vanguard, because everything else was easier - more places to vq for Norn and Asura, dungeons in both HM and NM for dwarven. The really big jump that went to Vanguard was my HM Dungeon Guide - after that I just vanquished during double weekend to finish it up. Asura I earned with a couple of handbooks and vanquishes.

Sacratus Ignis · Sep 19, 2008, 03:48 PM // 15:48

well, kind of hard for me to pick because all the toons I use frequently have max in all the reps. But in general I'd say use books on vanguard or asuran, since delver and norn can be maxed easily elsewhere. (Delver = do dungeons to max the others, or focus farm arachni/shards of orr fendi nin without killing him for infinite delver.) Norn the path to revelations farm never required ursan noobs anyways... you can h/h that run.

For my casters, the pve skills I usually run are ebon assassin, YMLAD, and finish him!. So it's actually vanguard and norn for my casters in most places since those three skills synergize best with an AP nuker. For some other bars like SH nukes I'll run mindbender and ebon honor to buff damage. TBH asuran summons are a waste of a spot compared to vanguard sin which you can resummon as often as it recharges (great with AP since I've had 5 sins at once before.) Pain inverter is also very overrated - why waste a pve slot on a skill which is only good if your team fails? The better you are, the less need for PI... ele bosses for example shouldn't be allowed to cast their AoE in the first place. Techno is still nice though from the asuran line if you want some daze, and the new extend conditions syncs well with it...

basically, it's preference. Which skills do you see yourself using the most? Pick that line, max it first. Or go to r8 first since that's so easy to do and with the update pve skills at r8 are still pro.

Sacratus Ignis · Sep 19, 2008, 03:49 PM // 15:49

well, kind of hard for me to pick because all the toons I use frequently have max in all the reps. But in general I'd say use books on vanguard or asuran, since delver and norn can be maxed easily elsewhere. (Delver = do dungeons to max the others, or focus farm arachni/shards of orr fendi nin without killing him for infinite delver.) Norn the path to revelations farm never required ursan noobs anyways... you can h/h that run.

For my casters, the pve skills I usually run are ebon assassin, YMLAD, and finish him!. So it's actually vanguard and norn for my casters in most places since those three skills synergize best with an AP nuker. For some other bars like SH nukes I'll run mindbender and ebon honor to buff damage. TBH asuran summons are a waste of a spot compared to vanguard sin which you can resummon as often as it recharges (great with AP since I've had 5 sins at once before.) Pain inverter is also very overrated - why waste a pve slot on a skill which is only good if your team fails? The better you are, the less need for PI... ele bosses for example shouldn't be allowed to cast their AoE in the first place. Techno is still nice though from the asuran line if you want some daze, and the new extend conditions syncs well with it...

basically, it's preference. Which skills do you see yourself using the most? Pick that line, max it first. Or go to r8 first since that's so easy to do and with the update pve skills at r8 are still pro.

shaygo · Sep 20, 2008, 03:21 PM // 15:21

so what's the bottom line ?
is the quest worth keeping for extra points during the farm or not ?

Forever Faithless · Sep 24, 2008, 10:31 AM // 10:31

So its point weekend again and books are excluded,i have delver maxed and want to finish off my norn, asura and van if possible,or at least 1 of them.

Norn 86k
Asura 10k from r7
Van 23k :

So what will people be doing vanquishing set areas over and over or a certain quest over and over ? hit your ideas up and share with us all :

distilledwill · Sep 24, 2008, 10:58 AM // 10:58

If i find time I'll be hitting the snowman dungeon HARD.

Anime Divine · Sep 24, 2008, 11:17 AM // 11:17

gosh saturday i will be gone :S
leaves me friday grinding to death till the early hours

ill be going vanquishing every single area there and explore. mayby do some quest along HM is whats its all about

norn max Warrior ursan go figure..
r8 delver
7 asura
6 vanguard

Squishy ftw · Sep 24, 2008, 12:09 PM // 12:09

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Originally Posted by distilledwill

If i find time I'll be hitting the snowman dungeon HARD.

That + hopefully some vanquishes.

Zidane Ortef · Sep 24, 2008, 02:58 PM // 14:58

Not to much Maybe Max Vangaurd on Sin, and Para, and maybe Norn on ele for speedclears.

As for points go I will probably be in on some guild Sacnoth VQ. and might try that HNPF where you run the heros there and they do all the work.

Richardt · Sep 24, 2008, 04:05 PM // 16:05

Well, if i still needed to max Vanguard, I'd go to Sacnoth valley, kill around 200 foes, then kill all the bosses in the fort. Should net you with a hefty chunk of rep.